Tuesday, April 18, 2006

Rock Music is Evil

Well now Christian soldiers, I have not yet taken the opportunity to preach specifically about the evils of rock music, particularly this so-called alternative Rock music that’s listened to by all of these so called "Xtreme" teens out there. Now, before I begin, I want to warn all of you that I will be exposing some very dangerous sinful lyrics. The reason I call the lyrics dangerous is because these lyrics are so sinful and evil that they would most certainly lead your "Xtreme" teenaged children down the path toward eternal damnation. Yes!!! - That’s Right!!! - This kind of music, if left unchecked by righteous parental authority (whippings, intimidation, humilation, whipping room visits, being covered in spiders) will result in your children’s souls being doomed to eternal hellfire. Think of it! The unbearable heat, the endless tortures, the infinite terror - forever AND EVER!!! That is your children’s future if they are permitted to listen to this garbage. It must be prevented at all cost!!!

Now, I am going to quote you some of these alternative rock music and dance music lyrics. You will not believe what you are about to hear. Nothing can prepare you for the fact that human beings could have sunk so low in wretched depravity to write songs such as this. Furthermore, these are just the lyrics! The actual music is far worse, because it combines the lyrics with tunes and beats that are clearly the inspired work of the Devil! And Praise Be - Please Remember! I am quoting these lyrics not because I like to quote rock lyrics, but for the greater good!!! I am quoting them as a dire warning, for the sake of virtue and good old-time moral values! Therefore, Christian soldiers, I give you the evil rock lyrics!

Hey now, you're an All Star, get your game on, go play
Hey now, you're a Rock Star, get the show on, get paid,
And all that glitters is gold
Only shootin stars break the mold

How horrible was that?! A song that encourages children "get the show on", and also encourages them to "break the mold" by becoming "shootin stars". What horrible blasphemy! But if you think that was bad, it is nothing compared to this!!!

Pump up the jam
Pump it up
While your feet are stompin'
And the jam is pumpin'
Look at here the crowd is jumpin'
Pump it up a little more
Get the party going on the dance floor
Seek us that's where the party's at
And you'll find out if you're too bad
I don't want a place to stay
Get your boody on the floor tonight
Make my dayI don't want a place to stay
Get your boody on the floor tonight
Make my day Make my day

What a truly evil song that encourages teenagers to engage in "Xtreme" dance moves and obscene acts on the dance floor. Do they have no shame? They should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail!!! May the good Lord grant us the supreme legal authority to ban these obscenities across our great land! It’s because of evil, tyrannical, activist judges that these obscenities are allowed to be produced and marketed to our children! And if you think that is bad, than now here this!!!

We know you've heard this beat many, many times
But we bet you've never heard it with such a vicious rhyme
A rhyme with class and plenty of clout
To show you sucher M.C.'s what it's about We hear the same stories everywhere we go
Hey, it's Nynuk who stole the show
So for all you party people who are in a state of shock
We're The New Kids On The Block!
Chillin' on the corner, the first day we arrived
From the looks of the hoods, we didn't think we'd survive Second day we were there, we were walking down the street
With a rhyme in mind and a funky beat

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: They should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail!!! We must bring down the evil, tyrannical, activist judges, and replace them with good, strict, solemn, old-time, righteous, God-fearing men of the church so that we can stop these obscenities from infesting our towns and our homes!


Anonymous Ryven said...

New Kids On The Block aren't evil. *L* They're just pathetic. And broken up. I don't think we'll have to worry about the horribleness that was New Kids, ever, ever again. I hardly think they're a threat.

7:42 PM  
Anonymous Snazzlepuff said...

LOL! I almost forgot about them! They were lame.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Dar-Jee said...

Ha... ha... hahahahhaha! *falls down and dies* You're quoting some of the most mild music and saying it's evil? Oh, you'll love me for this then! My absolute favorite song ever!

You let me violate you.
You let me desecrate you.
You let me penetrate you.
You let me complicate you.
Help me.
I broke apart my insides.
Help me.
I've got no soul to sell.
Help me.
The only thing that works for me.
Help me get away from myself.

I wanna fuck you like an animal.
I wanna feel you from the inside.
I wanna fuck you like an animal.
My whole existence is flawed.
You get me closer to God.

You can have my isolation.
You can have the hate that it brings.
You can have my absence of faith.
You can have my everything.
Help me.
Tear down my reason.
Help me.
It's your sex I can smell.
Help me.
You make me perfect.
Help me become somebody else.

I wanna fuck you like an animal.
I wanna feel you from the inside.
I wanna fuck you like an animal.
My whole existence is flawed.
You get me closer to God.

Through every forest.
Above the trees.
Within my stomach.
Scraped off my knees.
I drink the honey inside your hive.
You are the reason I stay alive.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Parnell, ol' buddy, ol' pal, did I forget to mention I want to fuck you like an animal?

10:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was a joke, in case you didn't get it.

10:58 PM  
Anonymous Led-head said...

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our souls
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll...
And she's buying the stairway to Heaven.

11:06 PM  
Anonymous tsc said...

Wow, someone hasn't been in touch with reality since it was fashionable to wear parachute pants and do "the hammer dance."

I can't believe you actually used New Kids on the Block and "Pump up the Jam" as examples of "Modern corrupt music."

You need to do some homework my friend.

For example, here's just a few off the top of my head.

There's a death metal band named "Anal Cunt." You don't need to here the lyrics of their songs to know what kind of stuff the sing about.

Another prime example would be the duet between Mr. Hankey and Kenny from South Park who's lyrics include "You can suck all the dick you want and still be the Virgin Mary."


PS: If you'd like I can compile a list that way you sound more educated next time you give such an arguement.

PPS: Did you even graduate high school?

1:31 AM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

ryven -- i think you missed the point of the post: rock music is evil. NKOTB may not be around anymore, but they are just a single example of the evil of rock music. furthermore, NKOTB and the other songs mentioned by my brother in Christ are often thought of as harmful, when in fact they will lead a person straight to Hell.

3:33 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

dar-jee -- NIN is a truly evil band, which is why i was glad to hear Trent Reznor lost all his money during a years long drug binge. you should not celebrate his lyrics or you will end up just like him: a druggie burn out.

3:36 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

led-head -- Led Zepplin is a very Satanic band that inspired years of Satanic music. I was very pleased to hear that God has made the IPOD damage the ears of people who listen to rock music. my only hope is that rock-music-loving people such as yourself go deaf before it is to late to reclaim your soul for Jesus

3:39 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

tsc -- like i told your fiance, one of the points of the post was that even so-called "harmless" music can bring children to Satan. unfortunately, as an avid church-goer, my brother in Christ isn't able to keep up with bands like Anal Cunt.

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

And I think, dear Nathaniel, that you missed the point of my post: New Kids aren't evil. They're stupid. :)

9:27 PM  
Anonymous Led-Head said...

And my only hope for you, Nathaniel, is that the "nice young men in their clean white coats" come and take you away quick, fast, and in a hurry.

11:24 PM  
Anonymous snazzlepuff said...

Your "brother in Christ" is one! And so are you.

11:28 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

ryven -- i didn't miss the point. my point, in case you again missed it, is that you may think they're stupid and/or harmless, but they are, in fact, evil.

7:37 AM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

led-head -- i may be crazy, as you suggest, but i think the more likely possibility is that you really, really need to read the Bible, praise Jesus, go to Church regularly, praise Jesus some more; and until you begin the process of giving your soul to God, it is more than a possibility that you are the one who is crazy. and your "men in white coats" comment brings up another good point: secularists have their insane asylums and men and white coats who can forcefully grab people who have not accepted the message of the Devil, so WE christians need a similar group of men. We need priests who can kidnap the Christ-less and bring them to Christ, for it is for their own good. You, of course, would be one of their first projects

7:43 AM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

snazzlepuff -- God hates name callers. In hell, you will certainly be punished. i imagine it will be not unlike that scene in the Matrix, where Neo's mouth disappears. But it will, I'm sure, be much worse. Nails and other instruments of pain will be involved. Just talking about Hell gives me the creeps.

7:45 AM  
Blogger Dr. JD Parnell said...

Of course there are forms of popular music and culture which are far worse. There is no limit to the depths of depravity to which people can sink when our society is controlled by liberals, secularists, witches, and activist judges. I try to insulate myself from these influences, to the extent possible, by constantly reading the bible and only listening to old-time country bible hymns and only thinking good wholesome thoughts about small country towns, traditional Christian churches, old-time morals, traditional Christian values, old-fashioned rocking chairs, shot guns, Cracker Barrel restaurants, 19nt-century american photographs, and such. Therefore, I am not up to date on the current level of depravity.

9:26 AM  
Anonymous Snazzlepuff said...

Name calling? I wasn't calling anyone names. All I said was, "Your brother in Christ is one, and so are you."

10:21 PM  
Anonymous Snazzlepuff said...

Oh, I get it! You thought I was calling you an anal c---! I never once said that, although I can easliy see how you might have interpreted it as such. I may have also meant that you and Parnell are truly brothers in Christ, meaning that you're good Christian men. What's so wrong with that?

If talking about Hell gives you the creeps, why do you persist on doing it?

10:27 PM  
Anonymous Led-head said...

" We need priests who can kidnap the Christ-less and bring them to Christ, for it is for their own good. You, of course, would be one of their first projects."

And it's comments like these, and countless others you've made, that lead me to believe I'm right in my assessment of you mental state.

All kidding aside, you need to get help. Please. Before it's too late.

10:34 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

snazzelpuff -- i should have known with that hilarious name you'd be so incredibly witty. but witty or no, the constuction of "your brother in Christ is one and so are you" does not in any way imply that you meant we are truly brothers in Christ.

in response to your question about my persistence in talking about Hell, in insist on bringing it up because people need to recognize what they face if they do not accept Christ into their hearts. until i'm sure every person in America has found Jesus, i will continue to talk about Hell, too. i would advise you to do the same, because it is our duty as Christians to bring people to Christ.

10:48 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

i'm not saying your crazy (unless you count your refusal to bow down to Christ), but how do you know you're not the one who's crazy? It reminds me of this old Daoist philosopher who spoke of a dream where he was a butterfly, and when he woke up he wondered if he wasn't a butterfly dreaming he was a person. Satan, I think, worked his magic on that guy, just as he's doing to you, now. he's polluted your senses into thinking the word of God is ctrazy. hopefully, though, you can be as smart as the Daoist.

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Snazzlepuff said...

Nathaniel, if you were truly in possession of a clean mind and a pure heart, you would have read my statement as follows:

"Your brother in Christ is one (meaning a brother in Christ), and so are you (a brother in Christ)."

Which tells me that you, like the rest of us poor sinful saps, have a mind that is merrily floating down the gutter.

I'm so disappointed in you.

10:58 PM  
Anonymous Led-head said...

Nathaniel--I don't know who the Daoist philosopher was, but if he truly *believed* he was a butterfly I'd question his sanity as well.

No matter. I think I'm going to crank some Led Zeppelin, read Prisoner of Azkaban for the millionth time, and gorge myself sick on Easter candy.

11:06 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

snazzlepuff -- that's not true. even though i am by no means a master of grammer, the way you contructed the sentence "brother in christ" is the noun, "one" describes the noun. i guess you might make the argument that you meant to say your brother in christ is a brother in christ, but that would be redundant. choosing between you being stupid and being evil, i think it more likely that you're evil.

10:32 AM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

led-head -- the philosopher was zhuangzi, and he was probably the most famous daoist philosopher outside of the laozi, himself.

10:45 AM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

Not to nitpick, but eh, I'm nitpicking. But it's spelled Taoist:) You learn something new everyday.

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Snazzlepuff said...

Evil? Not I. Only a bit...mischevious.

And you're right, a master of grammar you're not.

= p

10:49 PM  
Anonymous Led-head said...

Thanks for the tip, Natty-boy. I'll have to read up on it.

By the way, hello Ryven. Nice to meet you.

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

Hello Led-Head, nice to meet you too ^_^

12:21 AM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

ryven, led-head -- i'm glad this site could be a vehicle for two evil sinners to meet. maybe together you can find jesus. ryven, as i've studied chinese for many years due to missionary work, daoism can be spelled either way. there are two forms of romanization of the chinese language. pin yin, which spells it daoism, and wade giles, which spells it taoism. the correct pronunciation is more like a cross between the two -- it's kind of like pronouncing "d" and "t" together. also, pin yin is the more modern form of romanization and the one the chinese use, themselves.

10:36 AM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

snazzlepuff -- i'm going to invent a new word for you --mischevilous. i think that describes you perfectly.

10:37 AM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

ryven -- proof of how to spell Daoism:

led-head -- info on zhuangzi:

10:40 AM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

If it can be spelled both ways, then it can be spelled both ways. It's just the way it was spelled waaay back in social studies in highschool, in the books we read from.

Also, I'm not evil. Methinks you're projecting, Nathaniel.

2:37 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

ryven -- it figures you'd learn something so corrupting as d/t-aoism in high school. i know it may seem as though there is some hypocricy in my condemning the teaching of something in high school that i've learned myself. however, i learned said philosophy in the context of promoting the Word of God and was properly shielded from the evil influence of foreign belief systems by my absolute faith in the Bible and my pure intent. High school being a secular bastion of filth, students have no way to combat the powerful draw of the Devil. Yet again this justifies mandatory bible readings. in fact, if bible reading were mandatory, it might be safe for our children to be exposed to things like d/t-aoism or even evolution, if only for them to be made aware of the multitude of ways in which the Devil works.

as for you're being evil, let me apologize -- you are not evil, per-se, because that judgment will be made by God at your death. however, you are definitely on an evil path and do evil things, thus your blatant refusal to accept the Jesus as your Lord and Savior. of course you have the potential for redemption, which is why you are not evil, since evil suggests finality. and this is why i've taken it upon myself to pray for you and your fiance.

2:59 PM  
Anonymous Snazzlepuff the Mischevilous and Proud of It = ) said...

Mischevilous? This impies being evil in a good way! Me likey!

4:43 PM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

We just learned about it, we didn't learn it's teachings. Religion and general school should be seperate, so that those who wish to follow a religious path can seek it out themselves without having it forced down their throats.

I mean, I doubt you'd like it if the Buhddist teachings were suddenly being taught in class, and they were manditory, everyone had to chant and bring their strings of beads, ect. Just as you think it was unfair that a public school is strictly Buhddist, people of other religions think it would be unfair to have a public school strictly Christian. It's really just to be fair to everyone that uses them.

We had a discussion like this in AP Euro History my senior year. Most students were actually in favor of having religious based classes, one representing the more common religions in our school, but they would be electives rather than mandatory. That way, there would be religious teachings available to those who want to go, rather than having religion shoved down everyone's throats. I know I'd be fine with that, as long as it didn't take over the school. Because honestly, that's why they have things like Catholic School and Christian Academies, for parents who wish their children to have a more religously based education.

Also, I'd like to say that no, I really don't do evil things. I may do things against your religion, IE co-habitate, have sex out of marriage, and the like, but I hardly see them as evil. I have sex with one man, and one man only. The man I'm marrying, the only man I've ever been intimate with. That's a pretty good track record. The fact that I co-habitate is what opened me up to marriage in the first place. The circumstances in which I was forced to move out with my boyfriend -now fiance- aside, I think it's been a wonderful experience. It was so much better than living at home, my stress levels have gone down, I can honestly say that I much healthier for it.

But doing that doesn't make me evil. It just makes me in disagreement with you and your faith, which is a different matter entirely. I'm fairly certain that if we had met on the street and had an idle conversation, that we probably wouldn't have even had any of these debates. We probably would have had a nice conversation and parted ways.

I just don't understand why you feel it necessary to attack people with your beliefs. They're not hurting you or your family. You can choose not to listen to their opinions, or to not associate with them. You can live out your life without causing so many other people strife and unrest. I'm sure you mean the best, in so far as you wish to share the happiness you've found with your faith, but that doesn't mean that the next person will experience it in the same way you do.

I guess it boils down to live and let live. What happens to other people happens. If you can nudge them into something better, than go for it. But if you have to bludgeon them into it, it's safe to say that you've done more harm than good.

8:05 PM  
Anonymous Led Head said...

Well said, Ryven

9:02 PM  
Blogger Dr. JD Parnell said...

I believe those of you hold such blasphemous beliefs, that rock music is OK, and public schools should be seperate from the church, and other such evil beliefs, are desperately in need of good Christian patriarchs such as Nathaniel and myself to provide you with harsh spiritual guidance and righeous authority. You're hellfire bound souls are deperately screaming out for it, because deep down inside your consciences are aware what of what eternity has in store for you if you continue down your current destructive path. Please come under our authority, and convert in your beliefs, and realize that school is a Christian place.

12:52 PM  
Anonymous Led Head said...

And you and Nathaniel, my dear sir, are desperately screaming out for attention, power, and money.

As for "coming under your authority," it isn't going to happen. So get over it.

And as I've told Nathaniel earlier, if your type of people are going to dominate Heaven, I'll gladly go in the opposite direction.

Although I have a sneaky feeling that God will probably isolate you two from the rest of us, thus making everybody happy. You'll be happy because you'll think you're the only ones in Heaven, and we'll be happy that we're not being forced to listen to your garbage.

Although I do hope God lets us spy on you through a peephole once in awhile. I must admit that at times, I find you two rather, um...amusing.

4:44 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

Led-head : i will concede that I am probably screaming for attention, if only because what i have to say is so important to you eternal future. power and money, though? i'm already rich and powerful.

you are right, though. God will separate my brother in Christ and I from the rest of you sinners, but we will not be alone, as you will be in your torture chamber. we will be among God's angels experiencing everlasting goodness. I'm sure God will let you spy on us as you suffer, if only to make you suffer that much more, as you realize where your evil path led you.

4:52 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

ryven -- those things are indeed evil. every minute you "co-habitate" with you fiance, just know that God is watching you! you are naked before Him, and He disapproves.

you can't "live and let live" when sin abounds, for it DOES hurt me and my family. letting homosexuals walk the streets unharrassed gives them the courage to corrupt our children to depravity. letting abortions take place is murder, and it allows women and men to live sinful lifestyles without consequence. this certainly indirectly hurts me and the rest of society. besides which allowing it continue is to give in to witchcraft, which is a recipe for disaster. No, punishment for everyone who disobeys the teachings of the Bible must be handed out. that is the way to show our love for God.

5:14 PM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

You certainly can live and let live, especially when you stop seeing it as "sin" and begin to realize that there's nothing wrong with it.

First of all, what's so horrible about living with another without marriage? Or sex outside marriage, for that matter? And I mean, what's *really* wrong with it. Not some more Bible blather. "God says this and God says that." I don't care what the Bible says about it, or what outdated story casts it in a bad light 2,000 years ago. I want to know the intelligent reasoning behind it. I certainly haven't become promiscuous because of it. I'm a happier, balance person for it. It's strengthened my relationship and opened me up to marriage.

And homosexuality. Who the hell cares about what people do in the privacy of their own bedroom? Who cares if men like men, or women like women? I think you're simply scared of change, and hungering to spread fear for the power, and that's the only reason you hide behind your Bible quotes and berate these people. Leave them alone. They're not hurting anyone. And yes, that means your family too. They're not hurting your family. They're irking your family, and there's a difference. Grow some tolerance. Or go to another country, because this country is about Freedom.

Oh, and I should mention that America is the home of the free. Now, let's break this down and show you what it means. The freedom this country provides is for everyone here to enjoy, not just the Rich and the Christian. That's what our founding fathers fought for. That's what the soldiers who defend our freedom die for. For people, regardless of creed, religion, sex and race to enjoy the freedoms this country provides. Forcing your beliefs on the people of this country violates those rights, and that's why church and state are kept seperate. There are Buhddists, Athiests, Agnostics, Wiccans, Muslims, and a number of others who live in this country and go about their day to day lives. Their lives are no less important than yours, or your family's, or mine. For you to cast them aside and trample on their rights is criminal.

Your beliefs are no better than anyone elses. Just because you believe in a faith does NOT give you the right to judge others, and make life decisions for them. If you want to be a hardcore Christian, then fine, be a hardcore Christian, but you do NOT have the right to make life difficult on others by forcing your beliefs, your morals, your sexism, racism and fear on other people.

Maybe we should start calling the Fundamentalists in this country terrorists.

11:43 PM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

Oh, and if I'm naked before God, then I'm sure he'll make it through the night. After all, he made humans, and wanted Adam and Eve to remain unclothed and blissfully ignorant. I'm sure God seeing me naked won't phase him at all.

And if he disapproves of my happiness and wellbeing, and would rather see me be miserable in a marriage where I'm subserviant, bearing children until I die, then that's not the sort of God I will ever worship. Because he's not a Good and Fatherly God if he's more concerned with being "properly worshipped" than the wellbeing of his children.

11:47 PM  
Anonymous Snazzlepuff said...

"Every minute you "co-habitate" with you fiance, just know that God is watching you! you are naked before Him, and He disapproves."

Hey, wait a minute. Are you accusing God of voyerism?

10:53 PM  
Anonymous TSC said...

So are you gonna reply to Ryven or does that mean that she has won the debate?

11:02 PM  
Blogger Dr. JD Parnell said...

Oh sinners, how terribly wrong you all are! You have been completely fooled by the Devil's trickery into leading immoral lives. Your lives up to this point are meaningless because they have been influenced by liberal lies and Satanic withchery! The purpose of life on this earth is not self fullfillment or happiness. It is to experience hardship, pain, and sacrifice! Like jesus said, it is better to cut off your own hands and poke out your own eyes than have your soul cast into the fiery cauldron of hell! I pray you will submit to our harsh and righteous spiritual leadership and guidance. In order to more effectively influence you in this regard, I will sing a hymn:

Your former hopes have fled,
Your TERROR now begins!
Saviour of these sin-sick souls,
Let the Harvesting begin!

Cast away thine imbred sin!
Cast away thine imbred sin!
Let the Harvesting begin!
Let the Harvesting begin!

10:24 AM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

On the contrary, I think you've been fooled by your own delusions, pride and self-righteousness. Show me a god who cares about his children more than "proper worship, sacrifice and pain", and I'll start worshipping.

7:20 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

ryven -- America is the home of the free: free for those who worship Jesus Christ to continue to worship Jesus Christ. yes, your Christian masters have allowed you to worship your heathen Gods and allowed you to co-habitate before marriage, because, as a Christian nation, we once had the morals and drive to shame and humiliate people such as yourselves back into the good graces of the Lord. but apparently our ability to control such sin has slowly been eroded. Why? because at some point in our history we got lazy and decided not to scorn and punish one or two sinners. then the disease spread to a few more and then a few more, until finally the devil found enough followers to take the country away from Christians and turn it into a place where homosexuality and witchcraft are accepted. And that should at least partially answer your question as to why such things are bad -- because they spread and infect our society. Why is that bad? because these things snow ball into even worse problems. Like marijuana use, for example. Everyone knows weed is a gateway drug to harder things. Everyone knows allowing homosexuality leads to bestiality. and yes, the Bible condemns such things. And while you may not accept the Bible, as a Christian it is my duty to bring you to Christ. Furthermore, the sin you commit will spread to my children and my children's children, because they will be surrounded by temptation.

as for your being naked before God, yes, He will most likely live through the night. and that is fine for you not to worship Him, but you will certainly feel the consequences in the form of eternal hellfire. actually, it's not fine -- like my point above, for our children to see that it's okay -- according to you -- to not worship God and live a life of sin would be a terrible thing, worse, even, then allowing them to watch pornography and violence.

9:06 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

snazzlepuff -- if i were talking about you watching such things it certainly would be voyerism. but God is not human and experiences things in a different way. you are applying your nature to God. I can only shake my head and pray for you.

9:07 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

tsc -- see above.

9:08 PM  
Anonymous tsc said...

I have multiple comments for multiple people so please, bear with me here.

My first is for Dr. JD Parnell.

In your statement you said something that I am curious about. "The purpose of life on this earth is not self fullfillment or happiness. It is to experience hardship, pain, and sacrifice!"

My question to you is this. What hardships, pain, and sacrifice do you experience in the name of the lord. How expensive is your house? What kind of car do you drive, or how expensive is it? Do you own any jewelry? For to know true sacrifice for your lord you would have to use the bare minimum and donate the rest to your church and church sanctioned charities. Do you in fact do that?

Now Nathaniel, you mentioned that in times past Christian Americans humiliated and intimidated people in to the light of the lord and that this was a reasonable practice. Yet your site is "Jesus Loves Everything." If I remember right the only people that Jesus 'layeth the smackdown on' was the money changers that had turned the church in to a lucrative business. Based off of the way that Jesus reacted the only people he would actually beat in to submission are reverends that drive BMWs and people of a similar nature. Pat Roberts and Tammy Faye Baker come to mind as perfect examples of such. Jesus didn't even smite prostitutes, he took the time to speak to them and reason with them as equals. One of his best friends was a redeemed prostitute.

Another question for you: How does homosexuality lead to beastiality? I see no connections. If you can give examples of gay people having sex with animals then this would make an excellent arguement. However, as far as I've ever heard it's only straight people that are overly kinky that go that route. And for that matter, what about all of these priests that we hear about having sex with choir boys? Were they gay first? I doubt it. Most pedophiles are straight other than that perversion as well.

Just an end comment as well, you mentioned right at the end that letting children see violence is a sin. Then why do you craft these elaborate overly violent bedtime stories for them?

I just want to see some consistency,

11:59 PM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

"Christian masters"?

Excuse me while I chortle.

Okay, I'm done now. Back to business.

"Christian masters". What masters? The government? Certainly not. Because we don't live in a theocracy. Our founding fathers tried to craft this country so that it wouldn't be a theocracy. It's apparent that a good many of them were religious, yes, but they saw the folly of running a country based on religion, like England, and learned from other's mistakes.

This is a country populated by a good number of Christians. It is not a Christian Nation. America, by design, does not have an "official religion", because it's a country based off freedoms. To impose an "offical religion" would imply that this is not a country of freedom, but a country of conformity. This is supposed to be a bastion for those looking for a place to belong.

A country with freedoms. Freedoms for everyone. And that ideal has evolved over the years; freedom for religions, freedom for minorities, freedom for women. This is a country where a persons is (supposedly) able to live out their life without threat of persecution. And while that may not sit well with you, that's the country was founded on.

These changes you speak of violate some of the basic human and civil rights. People, regardless of sex, race, creed, whathaveyou, are free to make the best lives for themselves. The "rules" you want to impliment would oppress and alienate them.

But that's what you want. And that's what's really, really sad. You don't actually care about these people. These people, those with other religions, with other sexual preferences, scare you. You're scared of what you don't understand. It's a deep seeded human trait, to be xenophobic. I can understand why people such as yourself would react to it. You feel safer when you lash out, berate and try to be rid of things different than you. But it's not an excuse for such behavior. As human beings with the capability of conscience and self-awareness, we shouldn't succumb to our xenophobic tendancies. Which is why our society has come so far in the last few hundred years. As people began to think more and more, they pulled out of the Dark Ages, began to realize that the things they didn't understand wouldn't bite, they wouldn't harm them, they just needed to be understood.

And I agree on certain levels, promiscuity has gotten out of hand. While I don't condone promiscuity, I do condone being able to be freely intimate with someone you truly love. It's called responsibility. Some people actually have it. It's wierd. *L*

Tangents aside, I've said it before: I have no problem with religions. While I don't have one myself, I have no problem whatsoever with others attending church, worshipping a god, goddess or whatever they deem worthy. It's when they get pushy when I have a problem with it. And it's not just Christianity, either. I've had problems with Mormons, and Jehova's Witnesses, and even Buddhists trying to press their beliefs on me and others, and that's not right.

I suppose what I'm trying to get at is that you don't have to feel threatened because other people live their lives differently. It's not Christianity's job to be the morality police, and Christianity shouldn't be so arrogant as to assume their religion is so exceedingly pefect that it needs to be the morality police.

You should really open your eyes and look about. Take off your blinders. Set your bible down for a moment and really take a look at the world around you. Keep your faith, I'm not saying to abandon that, but at least with your faith, take some love into your heart, and stop hating what you don't understand, and maybe you'd get some better reception from other people.

There are some big problems in our world, there's no denying that. But bludgeoning people over the head with our opinions and faith won't help one iota. This world needs nurturing, not more hate and destruction.

12:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I leave tonight with a quip meant to inspire and illuminate. "Dr. P" really should have learned how to spell before he got his doctorate.

10:16 PM  
Anonymous Led-Head said...

Annonymous, Ryven, and TSC...well said! I couldn't have put it better myself.

I actually pity Nathaniel and Parnell. Don't know why but I do.

8:14 PM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

I pity them too, but mostly because they're so deluded that they actually think hurting people is righteous and good. I pity them because they seem to think scaring their children into obedience, and beating their wives into silence is "the straight and narrow".

I just seriously hope, for the sake of this nation, that these sort of people never come into the Presidency. (I don't count the current president; he's an idiot. :) ) Because this nation would be doomed.

11:41 PM  
Anonymous Led Zeppelin said...

Yes, it would. Fortunately, I believe they're in the minority.

I firmly believe that if someone like Nathaniel and Parnell *did* get elected, they'ed be assassinated before they even took office. Besides, I don't think anyone in their right minds would be stupid enough to vote for them. I've actually showed this site to a couple of Pentecostals I know, and even *they* think those two are effed up!

They actually make Bob Larson look rational.

2:45 AM  
Anonymous Ryven said...

Heh, I did the same thing; show this site to a friend of mine who is devoutly Christian. He shook his head and commented about how these two aren't "mature Christians", because they don't know how to read between the lines. He says that anyone who takes the Bible this literally is a fool, because it wasn't written to be taken this literally. He finds it very sad, and he actually found himself getting very angry as he read on. And this is a man who rarely gets angry.

4:11 AM  
Anonymous Led Head said...

It's certainly taking him long enough to answer, isn't it, guys?

9:49 PM  
Anonymous TSC said...

So, do I get a reply Nathaniel?

What about you my good doctor?

You appear to have trouble replying to this post, I wonder why...

For that matter, you haven't replied to any of us in a while. Possibly our posts have given you pause? Maybe you are having trouble answering these questions?

Perhaps you are merely bowing out because my arguement is too great for you to reply to with anything but "I don't care what you say, you're just going to hell anyways."

Perhaps you are trying to come up with a better arguement, but nothing can get past your filter of xenophobia and your blind faith to a sect of Christianity bent on hating everything that is different?

Or have your cult leaders not come up with anything good for you to respond with?

Pondering on many things,

3:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, you do realize that the All Star is not filled with blasphemy right? It's about becoming famous and does not have blasphemy. There are Satanic songs out there and I do agree that we shouldn't listen to Marilyn Manson's music, and like I stated earlier, there are many Satanic songs out there, but we shouldn't ban rock music. There are songs that are good with good messages. If you look at Billy Talent, they're a punk rock band and they have done songs about heroin abuse, they've encouraged people to be friends with unpopular kids, they make songs about love, and you might think that they're song "Devil In A Midnight Mass" may be evil, but it is actually about some priest who molested children. They were appalled by these events and made a song about it because even the people that claim to be religious are scum. There's lots of songs like that and you do not give any biblical references at all. Nowhere in the Bible does it state "Thou shalt not listen to distorted vibrations of strings and drums" and if you want to ban rock music because of what a few people have done with lyrics, that's like saying we should enslave blacks because a few of them committed terrible crimes. Music is just sound and no more than that. Maybe we should ban TV because TV has sin on it.

But you haven't given any true arguments to back up your opinion, just words. If we took out the lyrics in rock, would you still object, and if so, why? If people started making satanic lyrics with jazz, would you call that satanic as well?

See these two videos for a little more.



6:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

psalm 150

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