Tuesday, October 11, 2005

The Death Penalty Is Evil

Are we God? Sometimes I have to wonder if that's who we think we are. For who other than God is qualified to take the life of men? As it is written in Samuel 2:6: "The LORD killeth, and maketh alive, he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up." Yet we continue to assume the role of God by allowing the death penalty. I recognize that criminals are sinners and that some are even evil, committing heinous acts that must be punished, just as I recognize a family's desire for retribution when a loved one has been murdered. But thou shalt not kill.

So what should we do when a criminal has committed an act worthy of death? Jail, even assuming a life time of rape at the hands of other prisoners, certainly isn't enough for murderers. And it certainly hasn't prevented murder or any other crime. Murder and crime rates are a thousand times worse than a century ago, when America was a church-going nation and glory was given to God in schools, courts, and culture. Today, God has been ripped from schools, torn from the walls and floors of courts, and made a mockery of in culture. Listen to a rap record and you will hear the glorification of jail and crime, not glorification of the Lord. Such filth should be banned and burned, as should any type of music that rebels against the principles of the Ten Commandments. But placing God in His rightful place -- at the forefront of everything we do, watch, and listen to in life -- is just a beginning, because temptation and sin will always exist, as surely as Satan battles for our souls from Hell. To complete the transformation of our society and deter murder and all crime, we also need a new type of punishment, one not so offensive to God as the bringer of life and death, but that is a glorification of Him and His righteousness. Like in the Old Testament, where He would massacre a town or family for turning away from Him, we need to be equally harsh and righteous. Creative ways of torture and public humiliation would be a perfect way to accomplish this. For murderers, we should amputate legs and arms and sew them back wrong. Where once there was an arm there will be a leg, and a leg an arm. Rapists and child molesters will have their penises cut off and attached to their foreheads. Other crimes will be punished in a less severe, but similarly effective manner. Thieves can have their hands melted together with tar. Drug users will be forced to smoke various poisonous chemicals that burn their lungs until they are permanently scarred. Adulterers, on the other hand, will be placed naked in a glass box that is then placed in the desert where they can sit and cook for a day or two.

This, however, is not enough. Jail is not an effective means of punishment because it is merely a place where criminals are hidden from the public and given an opportunity to forget about the crimes they have committed. The criminal is not taught humility or pain in jail. It is important, then, we correct this by making all punishment available for public viewing. Television cameras should be allowed. Each town should also build public squares where the punishment for its criminals can be given in a more personal, intimate setting. Right next to the square, a church should be built, so the town's worshippers on their way to church can walk by and contemplate the fact that Hell is a thousand times worse than any such punishment.

When a punishment has been carried out, the criminal shall be cast back out into society as a freak. People may laugh at him, feel for him, pray for him, or completely ignore him; but what all will have in common is fear -- fear of sin, crime, and God.

You know the atheist, Christian-hating human rights activists will complain about this new world order. These are the very same people, however, that commit abortion, think it's fine that homosexuals tempt our children to their decadent, sinful lifestyle, and have driven religion from schools and courts. And I say to them how are criminals even human? They have turned from God; they have attacked humanity and stolen the rights of others, such that if the world were left to them, we'd be no better than animals. Letting this happen would do God a great injustice.


Blogger Chris said...

You speak as though you have done nothing wrong in your entire life. Theives should have their hands melted together with tar? My God, I have to wonder what kind of person says these sorts of things. You are talking about torture here! And yes, criminals ARE human, they are sinners like you and me, and it is not your place, nor mine to judge them. By your logic, you should have your tounge cut out for every lie you've told.

Your blog is called "Jesus Loves Everything" but I don't hear anything of love here. All I am reading is about your anger and hatred for people who have made mistakes. Jesus taught forgiveness, and whether or not they ask for their forgiveness is between them and God. It has nothing to do with you.

"judge not lest you be judged" Let's just hope that God is a bit more forgiving with you than you have been with these people.

10:39 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

I have done many things wrong in my life, but never a crime. Further, I have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior, which gives me the right judge others in terms of punishments here on Earth. By your logic, the government can't make laws protecting its citizens from criminals, because that would be too judgmental. What are you, some type of moral relativist? People like you have allowed sin in to this society.

10:52 PM  
Blogger Chris said...


I believe you missed my point. I never said that criminals shouldn't be punished, I simply disagreed with what you thought was a "Just punnishment". I agree with you on only one thing: I too am opposed to the death penalty. This however is where our line of thinking parts. My point was that it is immoral and wrong to suggest that anyone, regardless of who they are or what they have done, should be tortured and mutilated. Jesus met with many theives and criminals in his day, never did he say that they should have their "hands melted together with tar" or "limbs removed and an arm put where a leg used to be and a leg put where and arm used to be". If a man commits murder, you take his life away by locking him up. Jesus taught forgiveness, and thus the purpose of our laws and punishments should be that people can have time to reflect on what they have done and make their peace with God.

I for one am glad that your power is limited to a small-scale internet site. It scares me to think what a terrible place this world would be like if there were more "people like you".

You can wrap your message up in the Bible as much as you like, you can call yourself a man of God, you can give your life to Jesus one thousand times over, but if you can honestly tell me that you think Jesus would say the same thing you are saying, that men should be tortured and mutilated for their crimes, then you need to re-examine your thinking.

I will continue to pray for you and for "people like you" that God will change your heart, and open your eyes. God created ALL men, not just the ones that think and act like you do, and He loves them all. You should too.

2:26 PM  
Blogger Sirius said...

Do you want crazy murderers running around killing your son and his family? Oh wait, you probably do because he married a 'heathen,' I'm sorry your child wants to make a decision... that is if you're even old enough to have a child.

4:46 PM  
Blogger Des said...


You are the kind of Christian that drives people like myself out of the Christian church. And I know you will come up with some fabulous reason for why it is MY fault that I left the church. Fine, it was my choice, I left, and am now going to hell. End of story. But it is the sickening and forceful beliefs and ideas of people like you who make me recoil at the thought of organized religion.

The Bible may say "The Lord killeth..." but does it not also say an "eye for an eye"? I am not saying I agree with capital punishment, but you should look at everything the Bible has to say before using it as your backing resource.

Saying that homosexuals tempt your children into their sinful lifestyle is like saying reading the Bible makes you Jesus. Its complete bullox.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nathaniel, I believe you have allowed your hatred of the unfaithful to blind you from God's true will. He commands us to love thy neighbour regardless of what they have done and you most certainly do not if you would wish such barbarous torture on another human soul, even a sinful one. If someone is meant to suffer such torture God will decide it on judgement day and they will rest in hell for eternity. We should not attempt to decide what punishment God would see fit for his creations for even criminals are his creations and you must remember that, and embrace them, not condemn them. It is not too late for their immortal soul and you should let them know that. But instead you make them believe that is too late to repent. You twist God's words to your own designs. I pray that God will let you see how blind you have been before it is too late.

10:12 PM  
Blogger Nathaniel said...

anonymous -- i have addressed this issue before; but as it seems to always confuse people, because they focus only on the positive side of God, the side that makes them feel as though everything bad they do is okay, because we simply must love thy neighbor and never sacrifice anything, i am going to speak on this point again. people must be punished. it is human nature -- our sinful nature -- that requires punishment, lest the entire world collapse into chaos. we must try to make a good world, a world that worships Christ, and loves its neighbors; but how is this possible when sinners go unpunished? people must be led, coerced into doing the right thing, for it is not in our nature; so if a child or young adult sees that it is okay to do wrong, or that punishment will be minimal, then he will be tempted into a life of sin. if i look to God for help in punishment; well, i'm not sure what's wrong with that. i'm not judging them; the courts of law can do that. I'm merely recommending more effective punishments. and you say torture and cruelty, but i say look to the Bible. look at the hellfire God brings upon sinners during the endtimes. nothing i recommend is so harsh as that.

7:25 PM  
Blogger vron said...

hey nathaniel - i enjoyed reading the beginning of this one, because I also think the death penalty is abusing the power to take life.

I'm a Catholic in Canada, and just found your blog. I thought you were Poe which is still consider a possibility(don't take offense).

From the Bible the Lord is described as:
wonderful counselor
the mighty God
the everlasting father
the Prince of Peace

the book of psalms:
American King James Version
The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

And when he drew near and saw the city he wept over it, saying, "Would that even today you knew the things that make for peace! But now they are hid from your eyes. (Luke 19:41,42)

Beloved Jerusalem! How great the grief of Jesus when he finally realized that its people were not sons of peace

# But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil.
# But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;
# and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well;
# and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. (Matthew 5:39-41)

and lastly, I thought this would be ideal~

You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, 'Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.' (Matthew 5:43-45)

God makes the judgement.
We cannot believe in the bible and hurt our fellow man.

your left hand does not know what your right hand is doing. then leave the right hand behind. for it is better to enter the kingdom of god with one hand, and without sin.

your right is hurting your enemies. be a child of peace.

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

again i completley agree with you nathaniel, people should be tortured if they commit crime.

did you know the bible was written by primitive men? Not by god.

Also did you know that i fucked jesus last night?

I had a dream, a religous experience, and god said too me
"Fuck my son, my son"

He also told me that you and i should have some hot man love with you.

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1:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hahaha funniest shit ever.

ever heard of nobody's perfect??
people make mistakes :P

8:14 PM  
Blogger TechZilla said...

@des: Yes des the bible does say an eye for an eye, and it was commonly accepted as law for millenias....

BUT then Jesus came and criticized that established biblical law, 'You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.'

So to practice, condone, or even accept and eye for eye would be correct by earlier biblical standards.... but not by Jesus's standards, and those are the standards I would follow.

3:00 AM  
Blogger TechZilla said...

Nathaniel you are twisted in both principal, and I fear also in heart. You accept Jesus as your savior? Why? What about his teachings could possibly appeal to you???

Yes the death penalty is unquestionably unchristlike, and advocating it's usage is extremely arrogant. But WHY???

Read the sermon on the mount, again and again and again and again until you understand his message. To help things out a bit, here is the part you apparently disagree with!

Eye for Eye

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Love for Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Yes, this includes the message you advocate to society. YES, this includes the laws you believe should be followed. How we go about that is a matter of interpretation, but you're getting the opposite message. You're saying those before Jesus we're correct, he was wrong.... He was not wrong, he was not mistaken, those before him were mistaken. You are mistaken for denying his message. Accepting Jesus doesn;t mean your bean is counted in heaven, It means you accept his teaching... not just in rhetoric, you LIVE his teachings. You don't give up and say hey we're imperfect, you walk with him. Your faith is above you're works, and is meaningless.

3:12 AM  
Blogger TechZilla said...

I also just saw you're insane Westboro style interpretation of G0D. So listen very carefully, and I mean carefully...

Yes G0D will cast judgment, he was downright brutal at times frankly. I've read the text, and nowhere does it say for man to cast this judgment. No where does it say man should become the hand of god self-righteously. That judgement is not yours, it's not society's, it's not even anywhere close to anything for human's to advocate.

But what should you be advocating? On which footsteps should you be following? Should you take on the powerful footsteps of G0D? Are those the shoes you place on your self-righteous feet? Does G0D desire to see you as his equal?

Or do you follow the path of virtue through humility, and walk with Christ?

3:30 AM  

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